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		<title>By: zazi</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3430</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Btw, the comment from Michael is simply based on Tim Berners-Lee&#039;s statement &quot;It&#039;s not the documents -- It&#039;s the things&quot; (see http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Abstractions.html) ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the comment from Michael is simply based on Tim Berners-Lee&#8217;s statement &#8220;It&#8217;s not the documents &#8212; It&#8217;s the things&#8221; (see <a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Abstractions.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Abstractions.html</a>) ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Shiles</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Shiles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone,

I just wanted to say that this is one of the best discussions on RDF I&#039;ve read. I&#039;ve been somewhat familar with RDF for a while now but have basically had this nagging indecision as to what &quot;level&quot;/&quot;depth&quot; at which to apply assesertions. Should I RDFise the document and make assertions about the high-level topics and included concepts or should I make asserstions on the actual content - the words and sentences contained within that document.
I know see that this is still somewhat open to debate and interpretation. Thankfully, as a result of this discussion, I now have a much better understanding of some of the arguments surrounding this question.

Many thanks everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>I just wanted to say that this is one of the best discussions on RDF I&#8217;ve read. I&#8217;ve been somewhat familar with RDF for a while now but have basically had this nagging indecision as to what &#8220;level&#8221;/&#8221;depth&#8221; at which to apply assesertions. Should I RDFise the document and make assertions about the high-level topics and included concepts or should I make asserstions on the actual content &#8211; the words and sentences contained within that document.<br />
I know see that this is still somewhat open to debate and interpretation. Thankfully, as a result of this discussion, I now have a much better understanding of some of the arguments surrounding this question.</p>
<p>Many thanks everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris,

Re, my &quot;I Think&quot; comment, folklore.org that sheds light on what a &quot;Resource&quot; is [1]. Sadly, Semantic Web parlance has lead to overloaded mangling of this critical term.

Link:

1. http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&amp;story=The_Grand_Unified_Model.txt&amp;sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&amp;detail=medium&amp;search=resource]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Re, my &#8220;I Think&#8221; comment, folklore.org that sheds light on what a &#8220;Resource&#8221; is [1]. Sadly, Semantic Web parlance has lead to overloaded mangling of this critical term.</p>
<p>Link:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&#038;story=The_Grand_Unified_Model.txt&#038;sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&#038;detail=medium&#038;search=resource" rel="nofollow">http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&#038;story=The_Grand_Unified_Model.txt&#038;sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&#038;detail=medium&#038;search=resource</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with &quot;Resource&quot; is that its yet another example of horrific term overloading. A &quot;Resource&quot; is a physical artifact in a given realm. It was so long before the Web, and the term re. computing originates (I think) from early Apple Macintoshes via Mac OS Classic.

In Semantic Web lingo, Real World Objects have become darn &quot;Non Information Resources&quot; (yuck!). Likewise, an actual &quot;Resource&quot; is now referred to as an &quot;Information Resource&quot;.

All of the above comes down to people simply not understanding the URI abstraction which delivers: Name References (via multiple schemes including HTTP) and Address References (URLs also via multiple schemes including HTTP).

Giving Name References to Real World Objects is essential to producing structured descriptions about them in any medium (Web included) :-)

Kingsley]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with &#8220;Resource&#8221; is that its yet another example of horrific term overloading. A &#8220;Resource&#8221; is a physical artifact in a given realm. It was so long before the Web, and the term re. computing originates (I think) from early Apple Macintoshes via Mac OS Classic.</p>
<p>In Semantic Web lingo, Real World Objects have become darn &#8220;Non Information Resources&#8221; (yuck!). Likewise, an actual &#8220;Resource&#8221; is now referred to as an &#8220;Information Resource&#8221;.</p>
<p>All of the above comes down to people simply not understanding the URI abstraction which delivers: Name References (via multiple schemes including HTTP) and Address References (URLs also via multiple schemes including HTTP).</p>
<p>Giving Name References to Real World Objects is essential to producing structured descriptions about them in any medium (Web included) :-)</p>
<p>Kingsley</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, we use the doc URL as a cheap basis for the proxy URIs we generate :-) So for the BBC report on a World Cup match, we make a URI for the description of the match report.

Links:

1. http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/id/entity/http/news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8799741.stm -- URI for a BBC Web Site Report .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we use the doc URL as a cheap basis for the proxy URIs we generate :-) So for the BBC report on a World Cup match, we make a URI for the description of the match report.</p>
<p>Links:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/id/entity/http/news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8799741.stm" rel="nofollow">http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/id/entity/http/news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8799741.stm</a> &#8212; URI for a BBC Web Site Report .</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Summers</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Summers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 10:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I meant to s/Document/Web Document/ in my last comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant to s/Document/Web Document/ in my last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Summers</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Summers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Cyganiak and Leo Sauermann sorta define Document in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cool URIs for the Semantic Web&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Like everything on the traditional Web, each of the pages mentioned above are Web documents. Every Web document has its own URI. Note that a Web document is not the same as a file: a single Web document can be available in many different formats and languages, and a single file, for example a PHP script, may be responsible for generating a large number of Web documents with different URIs. A Web document is defined as something that has a URI and can return representations (responses in a format such as HTML or JPEG or RDF) of the identified resource in response to HTTP requests. In technical literature, such as Architecture of the World Wide Web, Volume One [AWWW], the term Information Resource is used instead of Web document.

On the traditional Web, URIs were used primarily for Web documents—to link to them, and to access them in a browser. The notion of resource identity was not so important on the traditional Web, a URL simply identified whatever we see when we type it into a browser.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Document just seems to be a slightly more palatable way of saying Information Resource. Personally I prefer Resource and Representation from REST. So when people say that it&#039;s important that they can get metadata for a Document I think in my head that they&#039;d like to have metadata for a Representation--which normally come over the wire in HTTP response headers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Cyganiak and Leo Sauermann sorta define Document in <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/" rel="nofollow">Cool URIs for the Semantic Web</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Like everything on the traditional Web, each of the pages mentioned above are Web documents. Every Web document has its own URI. Note that a Web document is not the same as a file: a single Web document can be available in many different formats and languages, and a single file, for example a PHP script, may be responsible for generating a large number of Web documents with different URIs. A Web document is defined as something that has a URI and can return representations (responses in a format such as HTML or JPEG or RDF) of the identified resource in response to HTTP requests. In technical literature, such as Architecture of the World Wide Web, Volume One [AWWW], the term Information Resource is used instead of Web document.</p>
<p>On the traditional Web, URIs were used primarily for Web documents—to link to them, and to access them in a browser. The notion of resource identity was not so important on the traditional Web, a URL simply identified whatever we see when we type it into a browser.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Document just seems to be a slightly more palatable way of saying Information Resource. Personally I prefer Resource and Representation from REST. So when people say that it&#8217;s important that they can get metadata for a Document I think in my head that they&#8217;d like to have metadata for a Representation&#8211;which normally come over the wire in HTTP response headers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Scott</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I think those are useful use cases and ones that we need to support. But I think the way to do it is link the document to the URI for R4isStatic (author) and the URI for Doctor Who etc. I don&#039;t think you also need to have a NIR for R4isStatic&#039;s document.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I think those are useful use cases and ones that we need to support. But I think the way to do it is link the document to the URI for R4isStatic (author) and the URI for Doctor Who etc. I don&#8217;t think you also need to have a NIR for R4isStatic&#8217;s document.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Scott</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, heading over there in a bit to carry on the conversation there :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, heading over there in a bit to carry on the conversation there :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Scott</title>
		<link>http://derivadow.com/2010/07/01/linked-things/#comment-3136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OpenID might yet make it... but I think people just didn&#039;t understand how it could work! How can entering a URL work and what&#039;s stopping someone else typing it in and accessing my account etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenID might yet make it&#8230; but I think people just didn&#8217;t understand how it could work! How can entering a URL work and what&#8217;s stopping someone else typing it in and accessing my account etc.</p>
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